Truancy Laws

[Jeff Maynard]

Roy, you have some good points, but mandatory education is the ONLY way to insure that our society continues to thrive and maintain order over certain chaos.

In addition, give the teachers a little break. Re-education every 5 year. Why? Do you think they might forget something they teach every day? Please. If they change disciplines then yes, they need training. In addition, not every teacher needs it. It is very different teacing a 3rd grader from a 10th grader.

More home schooling. Well, lets look at the people at home to do the schooling. Honestly, I think you might check the pool of parents before making that recommendation. It's not about dumbing down our population, right?

As always I will try to offer my 'recommendations' and in this case I only really have a single one. Parents need to SUPPORT OUR TEACHERS. Roy, and others, what has happened is that parents only want teaachers to teach from the books. This is NOT what took place when you, and even I, went to school. We were taught manners, social graces, social awareness, respect, and books. Just today in the news there was a story about a school who surveyed the students to see which were the bulleis. The child whose name appeared in the surveys, by overwhelming numbers, parents were notified and, rather than be upset that their child was the school bully, was angry at the school for taking the survey. WHAT HAVE WE BECOME! This IS our biggest problem for the future. Forget health care, unemployment, etc. If we dont fix the kids we are all in deep trouble. And to fix the kids we must fix the sperm and egg donors ( I call them that because they obviously are not parents).

[Roy Dearmore]

Originally Posted by Jeff Maynard

Roy, you have some good points, but mandatory education is the ONLY way to insure that our society continues to thrive and maintain order over certain chaos. I support mandatory education through eighth grade and strong encouragement of technical and vocational schools for high school for some who have little interest in or ability in academics.

In addition, give the teachers a little break. Re-education every 5 year.
I did not even hint at re-eduacation; just proficiency testing! Why? Do you think they might forget something they teach every day? Info changes in scientific disciplines. Please. If they change disciplines then yes, they need training. In addition, not every teacher needs it. It is very different teacing a 3rd grader from a 10th grader.

More home schooling. Well, lets look at the people at home to do the schooling. Honestly, I think you might check the pool of parents before making that recommendation. It's not about dumbing down our population, right?Most home schooled children consistently test way, way above average on SAT and similar tests.

As always I will try to offer my 'recommendations' and in this case I only really have a single one. Parents need to SUPPORT OUR TEACHERS. Roy, and others, what has happened is that parents only want teaachers to teach from the books. This is NOT what took place when you, and even I, went to school. We were taught manners, social graces, social awareness, respect, and books. Just today in the news there was a story about a school who surveyed the students to see which were the bulleis. The child whose name appeared in the surveys, by overwhelming numbers, parents were notified and, rather than be upset that their child was the school bully, was angry at the school for taking the survey. WHAT HAVE WE BECOME! This IS our biggest problem for the future. Forget health care, unemployment, etc. If we dont fix the kids we are all in deep trouble. And to fix the kids we must fix the sperm and egg donors ( I call them that because they obviously are not parents).

How would you suggest doing that? A nanny state?

All the best,
Roy

[Roy Dearmore]

Originally Posted by Cool Hand

Dearmore Pontificates:

Cool Hand,
I do not appreciate your not using my glamor photo which had been touched up by air brushing!
In the interest of full disclosure, you should have mentioned that the guy on my left (the right side of the picture as you look at it) is YOU. You know the guy with his mouth wide open and a dumb look on his face.

All the best,

Roy

[Jeff Maynard]

Originally Posted by Roy Dearmore

How would you suggest doing that? A nanny state?

All the best,
Roy

No Roy, my suggestion was that parents be involved in the classroom just yours and mine were. If I got in trouble in school I got the paddle right on the spot. THEN came the REAL punishment. When I got home I got it twice as bad. My parents, and yes they were real parents, stood behind the teachers and allowed them to not only teach the 3 R's but basic life skills as well. I was raised to respect my elders, all authority, and others. Even thought I have come to learn some bad habits since then, the basics are still there and my teachers had a LOT to do with that.

My point was not what the school did, it was to bring out the actions/reactions of the parents. The only real problem I saw was that the parents, after being given notice that their 'precious little budle of joy' was in fact a menace to society in the making, decided that, rather than take action to correct socially unacceptable behavior of their brat, decided to point the finger at the school. Their clai is that their child was treated unfairly and that the school should be identifying the problem children. What is ironic is that had the school actually watched the children and come to the same conclusion these sae parents would most likely been upset that their child was being singled out for 'investigation' from the teachers. As far as society is concerned it s a lose lose.

We constantly tie our teachers hands behind their backs, tighter and tighter. Eventually, and it's not far away, we cut off the circulation.

Roy, you could not pay me enough to teach. I could not stand by and allow the kids to behave like they do. I could not focus solely on the lesson plan knowing that this is not ALL that is required for an education. In simple terms, we need more parents and less friends supporting our teachers. Their job is difficult enough with all the 2 income families and absent moms and dads; we dot need to add to the difficulties by second guessing them at each and every turn.

I do not see nanny state mentioned or even implied. I see our school system, and legal system supporting teachers and their ability to teach. My recommendation is that when a parent brings a legal challenge against a school based on bad social policy that has no merit, that parent pay the court cost and attorney fees for the school to defend the teachers. When a parent fails to take action and their child continues to bully other kids, the parent spend some time in front of a judge to explain why they are incapable of controlling their child. But lets do this old school. Turn the clock back to the 70's or even 60's when parents really cared and so did the teachers.

[Roy Dearmore]

Originally Posted by Jeff Maynard

No Roy, my suggestion was that parents be involved in the classroom just yours and mine were. If I got in trouble in school I got the paddle right on the spot. THEN came the REAL punishment. When I got home I got it twice as bad. My parents, and yes they were real parents, stood behind the teachers and allowed them to not only teach the 3 R's but basic life skills as well. I was raised to respect my elders, all authority, and others. Even thought I have come to learn some bad habits since then, the basics are still there and my teachers had a LOT to do with that.

My point was not what the school did, it was to bring out the actions/reactions of the parents. The only real problem I saw was that the parents, after being given notice that their 'precious little budle of joy' was in fact a menace to society in the making, decided that, rather than take action to correct socially unacceptable behavior of their brat, decided to point the finger at the school. Their clai is that their child was treated unfairly and that the school should be identifying the problem children. What is ironic is that had the school actually watched the children and come to the same conclusion these sae parents would most likely been upset that their child was being singled out for 'investigation' from the teachers. As far as society is concerned it s a lose lose.

We constantly tie our teachers hands behind their backs, tighter and tighter. Eventually, and it's not far away, we cut off the circulation.

Roy, you could not pay me enough to teach. I could not stand by and allow the kids to behave like they do. I could not focus solely on the lesson plan knowing that this is not ALL that is required for an education. In simple terms, we need more parents and less friends supporting our teachers. Their job is difficult enough with all the 2 income families and absent moms and dads; we dot need to add to the difficulties by second guessing them at each and every turn.

I do not see nanny state mentioned or even implied. I see our school system, and legal system supporting teachers and their ability to teach. My recommendation is that when a parent brings a legal challenge against a school based on bad social policy that has no merit, that parent pay the court cost and attorney fees for the school to defend the teachers. When a parent fails to take action and their child continues to bully other kids, the parent spend some time in front of a judge to explain why they are incapable of controlling their child. But lets do this old school. Turn the clock back to the 70's or even 60's when parents really cared and so did the teachers.

I agree 100% with everything above. That would still not turn immature, narcissistic, hippie parents of today into decent parents (not all are that way, thank God). That requires a spiritual transformation in their lives.

All the best,

Roy

[Jeff Maynard]

Originally Posted by Roy Dearmore

I agree 100% with everything above. That would still not turn immature, narcissistic, hippie parents of today into decent parents (not all are that way, thank God). That requires a spiritual transformation in their lives.

All the best,

Roy

Lets all look to Temple Texas schools as an example. I just saw on FOX that they have re-instituted the paddle. Hooray for the thinkers in Temple!! Maybe Garland can follow??

[Roy Dearmore]

Originally Posted by Jeff Maynard

Lets all look to Temple Texas schools as an example. I just saw on FOX that they have re-instituted the paddle. Hooray for the thinkers in Temple!! Maybe Garland can follow??

The board of education applied to the seat of knowledge used to have good results. Nowadays the parents would sue you. I'm sure you are right when you opined that you would be in more trouble at home than at school if you got a paddling at school. I know I would have been. Thankfully I never received a spanking at school (is my halo on straight?) but I received an adequate number of well deserved ones at home. In spite of that I have been arrested twice!! (Both times in Africa, once in Congo and once in Kenya). Both times, they, I and God knew I had not violated any law but they wanted beer money. When Coca Cola money, as I defined it, was forthcoming there was no longer an infraction of any kind so my record is clean!
There is still at least one school district in the DFW Metroplex that uses the board. I believe it is Irving. A lifelong friend of mine is principal of a middle school in Irving or Coppell. (They may be the same ISD?)
All the best,

Roy
P.S. I too could not teach in public schools today. I would be indicted for homicide within a month! I do teach at college level frequently in Spanish and English, in Mexico and the US.